![]() ![]() NOT because there better then a 308 or 06 at killing. What you have to do to make the gun work with subs renders it unfit for normal ammo, and 5.56 subs offer very little if anything over a. Much cheaper and easier After investigation, this is the answer. However, those velocities are generally listed today with a more realistic 150 at. Early factory loads were advertised with 110-grain bullets at 3,340 fps, 150s at 2,860 fps, 180s at 2,610 fps and 200-grain bullets at 2,450 fps. The military uses them because there light, dont kick and they can carry more ammo. 3 Quote History Quoted: Subsonic AR is basically a 10/22. A broad selection of powders with the correct burn rate can be used to optimize. That said i dont know of one person that kills alot of deer that claims its an ideal round to do it. Obviously because its killed 100s of thousands of men that weight more then a deer. I take it very seriously and use the right tool for the job that puts them down without suffering. What i seen to find with the fans of 22 cal deer hunting is those people tend to forget or keep quiet about those failures or blame something else for them. You WILL eventually wound one or not recover one that you couldnt find. Now im guilty and a hypocrite because id did kill two does one year with a 60 grain partition in one of my ar's and it killed them but do it enough times and its going to bite you. Id bet not a single guy here can say his only centerfire rifle is a 223. What you can get away with isnt the same as what is right and id bet if your here you have a gun more suited for deer. If you want to kill deer with an AR get a 300 bo or some other more suited round. 100 of all my handloads are done with Hodgdon brands. All but 2-3 of those are with handloaded ammo. Outstanding performance and velocity can be obtained in such popular cartridges as the 22-250 Remington. People do it just to prove they can and dont much care if a deer suffers. 223 Remington began in 1957, and it became commercially available in January 1964, about a month prior to U.S. Varget is the perfect powder for shooting the 223 Remington with heavy bullets in competitive matches. Im not even a fan of full power 556 for deer hunting. Maybe I am jaded as I have poachers in my area and this is the kind of crap they do with. 22 subsonic cartridges, some manufacturers opt not to load a. We should be discouraging such endeavors, not condoning them or providing assistance. There is no good reason to harvest deer with a 1000 fps 55 gr bullet. It is very unlikely neighbors would be bothered by, or report gunshots during deer season anyway. Using a decent load is more important than keeping the noise down for neighbors. Hunting deer with a subsonic 55 gr bullet is unethical. Since I am the only one who seems bothered. I’m new to casting, not shooting and or hunting. You should give people a little more credit before you make too many assumptions. It actually worked really well with a through and through to the neck. If you had wounded the deer, with only one sub-sonic round, what was your plan?I had started with several that were given to me. Was it loaded with a cast bullet or something like the the Hornady SX? You decided to kill a deer with the one round you had. You said "I shot an axis deer with a subsonic 223 round I had picked up somewhere." Think about that statement for a minute.I am left with the impression you had one round, have no idea how it was loaded or who loaded it. It is intended ONLY for barrels up to 14½".it occasionally sticks in the barrel of a 16" carbine.Given the desire to hunt silently at close range, why not get a crossbow? A subsonic 55 gr bullet is not a good choice IMO.Ī wounded deer dying on the property of your nosey neighbors will not be well received.īTW, almost everyone else here is very .not so much. This uses the same 100grn bullet but uses 8grns of powder and a small foam filler. Powder (25grns) looks like Vihavouri.ĮS also produce a round that will not cycle the action- different folks like different things. Accuracy is adequate for it's intended mission out to 100m or so.īullet is filled with Tungsten carbide- so not cheep. Has cycled reliably in all the rifles I have tried it in- 1960's vintage M16, Current M4, HK 416 and ruger Mini 14.īullet (on the new stuff) weighs 100grns (old was 127grn) which is marginal on stability. Precision 6.5 Grendel load data for AR-15 rifles heres what you need to know. 223 /5.56 subsonic loads that will reliably cycle in an AR 15 type rifle The local Rifle club has approved indoor use of IPSC rifle but only with subsonic loads.Have 80, 90 and 100grn bullets available and most American brand powders and VihtaVuori pistol powders. Out of 16" barrels like our test HK 416's.it is often just supersonic (1180fps) but a few civi spec 16 barrels it stays just below the speed of sound. What powders are you using in America to produce. It is designed to be subsonic in a mil spec 14½" barrel- it is. ![]() It works as advertised within a narrow window. ![]()
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